Running Toward What's Next | Sam Augeri on Leaving TV News, Reinvention & Marathons

Former News 12 Long Island Chief Meteorologist Sam Augeri joins me to discuss what happens when the career you've built no longer aligns with the life you want.

After successful careers in television, both of us found ourselves at a crossroads that ultimately led us away from TV news and toward work that felt more meaningful. Sam shares how she created Sam's Weather School, an educational program designed to inspire children through weather and space science.

In the second half of the episode, we shift gears and talk running. With more than 20 marathons completed, Sam became one of the people I leaned on while training for the 2024 New York City Marathon. We discuss marathon training, motivation, mental toughness, and why running has the power to clear the clutter and reveal what you're truly capable of.

Whether you're considering your first race, training for a marathon, or navigating your own reinvention, this episode offers inspiration for the road ahead.

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Before we get into the episode, shout out to the sponsors supporting undescripted turbulence. Dude Wow Cocktails. Now, I love It's Llooding Mary Mix without alcohol. So you could really make it your own. I've had it both ways. Even made a Mezcal martini with it. Shout out martinis with MEGI. Smoky, sultry, honestly, so good. If you're curious, use my code Turbulence26 for 10% off. The link is in the episode description. Take what lands, leave what doesn't, and please follow or subscribe. It helps more than you know. All right, let's get into it. Well, because we know how the sausage is made, it's different when you know how the sausage is made. I had somebody text me today, and I love this person. And they asked me. Um, they watched uh a report being done at our old station and decided to vent to me about it. I don't care. Yeah. And was kind of mentioning the individual on TV. Again, I don't watch, I don't care. Like I'm that's in the past. Right, right. Whatever. So then at one point, this person was like, Well, would you would you go back if they threw you enough money or whatever? There's a reason, and you know what I said to this person again, I love this person, they're probably gonna listen to this, but I said, Would you go back to your ex-husband? Well, that stopped the conversation. I think they understood that. Yeah. But it's like, there's a reason I left people. There's a reason, and I and I always ask me at every school I visit. Like, are you gonna be on TV again? Are you gonna go back? I'm like, when you have screens all over that are your camera phone and your phones, like why anyway. I'm probably gonna put this in the pot if that's okay. It's fine. It's fine. Because I just shut it out, my friend. Sorry, my friend. Anyway. Now I'm trying. Now I'm focused on trying to think about who it is. I'm like. Oh, we could do that after. Okay. Okay. All right. All right, let's get into this. All right, welcome to Unscripted Turbulence. I'm your host, Reagan Maggie. Today, we are gonna go down memory lane. I'm excited. And we're gonna run. Oh, right. We're gonna run down memory lane. Oh yeah. So I'm with Sam O'Giri. Is that O'Giri? O'jiri. O'jiri. OG. Ojiri. Ojiri. Whatever. We're friends. Yeah. Screw the blessing. Nobody can say it. Oh je. My uh married name is Johnson. This is so much easier. I did not even know that. See, when you're in a T. You're new every day. You do. And when you're a TV person, this is the thing. You know the TV person's maiden name, because oftentimes you stay with the maiden name, which I did. Not my married name. Medgie's not my married name. Wait, what's your married name? I'm not gonna say it. Oh, see, now I just like I had a secret identity and I just Well ruined it. I could bleed that out for you. You want me to tell you, and I can bleed mine out. I'll tell you after the broadcast. The only reason is because my husband, pilot, because he does not want to be known. I know. I'm always like going through your social media trying to find a little glimpse of him. We hear a little snippet. Yeah, no, I did screw up the one my sister-in-law was in the seat that you're in, and you know, she dropped his name by accident. Then because we're in conversation, I dropped his name, then I had to bleep it. So I have done the bleeping on the show. Um, but yeah, so uh anyway, so yeah, but but I I keep the identity hidden, but I'll let you know afterwards. But anyway, so yeah, we we learn a lot. Yeah, a lot. We only know each other's first and last names we came on TV with. Uh we get married and we keep our maiden names. Because you know why? Because this is what got us to this point, right? You're right, you're right. Oh, even my husband, um, he goes by his middle name, so we were getting married. You know, you have to put your name on the um invitation, wedding invitation. Oh, yeah, yeah. He's like, Anthony Max Johnson. I'm like, who the hell's Anthony? Who's Anthony? I don't know an Anthony. He goes by Max Johnson. So, and and like our friends and everything, nobody knows his Anthony. So we send out the wedding invitation. They're like, Who's Anthony? Oh, you're kidding. You're marrying. It's just funny, like really only been dating you for like 10 years, but that's cool. Are you high school sweethearts? Um, no, after high school. We were like lifeguards. Oh, the lifeguards, that's right. Yeah, the lifeguards. I was lifeguard too, you know. Were you ocean pool? No. Okay. Ah, I get the look. But I worked at Disney World. That's awesome. I was a cast member before I was part of the ABC 7. Yeah. And I was a lifeguard down there. Good. I love that. Thank you. It's the best job. Well, it is. I feel like my nose is running, and I'm gonna grab my allergies, right? Well, look at that. I just I prepped the stage for you, so when you start getting teary, not because I'm gonna make you cry, but because the allergies outside. Anyway, I'm gonna go in my my book, my bag of trucks over here. Okay, so Sam. The way we know each other, as I go into if you're watching, you're gonna see me kind of I got this new bag. It's huge. What is that? I need something like that because mine's like it's a bang and falling apart, and it's a little on the side. It's B-E-I-B-E-I-S. Bs. I don't know, but here's the thing. If you do if too much size, it's like a bowling ball in here. Yeah. I got my laptop because uh girlfriend over here needs a new laptop because it's a whole thing. We're we're starting off a little messy today, and I don't care because it's my show, and I can do whatever I want. Anyway, okay, so how does Sam, how do how does Sam and I, how do Sam and I, does whatever, know each other? How do we know each other? We know each other. Do you want a tissue? No. I mean it's some action over there. Stick it to over here just in case. Just in case. Just stick it to you. All right, so how do how do we know each other? But did you Fox Five Box? I feel like I knew you because you're on a other channel and you're like a superstar, so I feel like I knew you before you came in. That's right. I'm a superstar. That's right. She does everything. Uh-huh. But don't paperzi, follow me. I don't juggle. I control the baton though. Okay, all right. How do we know each other? From Fox Five, uh, I came on as a freelancer, and then at that time, you were the on-air meteorologist and Mike Woods producer. Yeah. Gone are the days of having producers, my friend. I know. He didn't need me anyway. It was good. He was good. Wow. Yeah. It was fun though, working with Mike Woods. He is he's a trip. Do you see what this guy eats at like five o'clock in the morning? That was like the biggest thing. Gross. He would have those chicken, steak, potatoes, yeah, like an actual full meal, like full-on dinner meal. I was like, I couldn't get, I can't, I have to ease into the day with eating, right? Because when you're on the morning shift, like you're waking up at like I woke up at 1 30 a.m. What did you think? Well, yeah, like 12. Well, but I was coming from Long Island, so it was like 12 30 in the morning. So I mean, technically, what it is like lunchtime. It totally is lunchtime, right? I mean, there were days where I was like, I could go for a cheeseburger right now. Right, right. I didn't actually do it. No, no, no, no. I was very regimented. I had my protein shake because I didn't like being on air and then eating in between some anchors will do that and some, you know, because then I would have crap in my teeth. And we curse on this program. So you're upset, and then like, I know. And then you're sitting there, and then people were watching you as they're having their breakfast, and there's like, oh, there's something in her front too. I won't do that. So I just I always had like the shake. Yeah. And then I would have something to eat eventually. But yeah, so we knew each other, and um yeah, I remember uh all of that that moment in time. But before we get there, you're originally from where? Um, Long Island. Long Island. Long Island. Oh, there it is. Well, it's like I feel like the accent went away, but now that I'm back and I'm not on TV anymore, I'm like, just gonna let it fly. I guess I feel lean into that accent. Why not, right? Yeah, born and raised on Long Island. Um went to school upstate, worked upstate for a while, worked at News 12 Long Island, worked at Fox. So I never really went far. Yeah, I've always stayed in the area. In the regional area. The regional area. Um, what do you do right now so people can understand that like me, Sam is no longer on TV. On a different screen these days. Yeah. I feel like there's a lot of people now like us that have kind of like left the business and are started. Don't you feel? Yeah. Like a lot of people. Life changing, first of all. I feel like the day I left, I never looked back. Um, so I left and I started grad school to become a teacher, which I'm still in grad school, but I kind of had to slow it down. Well, so like I always wanted, like, I love, I'm such a nerd. I love earth science, um, weather and space stuff. So I wanted to um teach earth science in high school. It was kind of always in the back of my mind. And then I figured I could coach because I played lacrosse and played sports and played in college. So, like, I'll teach in high school and um I'll be a coach. So I started school and then I also started my business because when I was at News 12, I was doing this whole Sam's weather school thing. Yeah, I remember saying that. So we travel to schools and I do um like a bunch of fun science experiments and just teach the kids about being a meteorologist. Um so I started up my business, wasn't really expecting it to do much. No. Um, and I got really busy and it's been really great. And I was like, this is like my dream job. So I'm kind of still in school, but kind of not. I don't know. I'm like figuring out what to do now, whether I'm gonna continue with this schooling, which eventually, yes, I would like to get my degree, but I've just been having so much fun um with my business. And you're a mom of three kids, by the way. Yeah. Boys. All boys the boys, boys' crew at my house. Oh my god, three little tornadoes. They're great. But she went tornadoes there. She went there with the weather turn. Come over to my house sometime. I will. And uh. I got a new ride now. I don't have my red Mazda anymore. I got a CX30. Really? Mazda. Where's done with that thing? I don't know. I'm elevating my life. Apparently, I'm I'm getting new computers. Where where does it Oh, in a basement. I have I live in an apartment building where there's a basement and there's a parking spot in the basement. And I pay for it. I pay for everything. I pay I pay for the air to breathe. I'm sure. Well, that's what I'm thinking. I'm thinking, you know, like yeah, paying for it to be decent. But I'll drive out to see you. So uh so yeah, so I want to say thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you for carving out time to come here. After you told me all of that, I had no idea you were a teacher or you're going to be a school to be in. Hopefully someday. Okay. All right. So so now Sam was on TV, is doing this thing now from Long Island. Um, where in Long, where on Long Island are you from from? Um so I grew up in Malvern, that's in Nassau County. Yeah, yeah. Then my family moved um to the North Shore to Locust Valley, so lived there for a bit. Then um, you know, I was away working, came home, I lived in Long Beach for a bit. You knew that, right? I know about Long Beach because when I got married, I was in Long Beach with my husband. Because pilot. I'm not gonna say where what airline he works for, but he's based at JFK. Okay. And I, you know, you know, the biggest question is like, do you live in a house or an apartment when you're in the city? It's so expensive. Everything's just so expensive. So at one point he mentioned like maybe buying something. In Long Beach? Well, I mentioned it, and he was like, no. Because I think his words were, I don't want to see my my coworkers. Oh, they all live in Long Beach? They all do. It's like pilot central out there. I mean, like Long Beach is great. I love it, but like once we had kids and stuff, I'm like, okay, we need to Yeah, but I just you have the beach, you know, and I thought we'd be so cool, but he just does not want to see his coworkers. And I'm like, well, there's the whole thing is like no privacy at Long Beach, you know? You might like. But the coworker thing gets me because I'm like, I like my coworkers. Yeah, the ones that were, and then well, I don't have co-workers now, so I'll live alone. It's like that REM song. Everybody hurts. Like just me and a computer screen. I do. Like being your own, like doing your own thing. Yeah. I do, I do. I'm not, I don't not love it. I do love it, but it's stress-free. It's definitely talking about how stressful this whole situation is. We'll get to that. Um, okay, so anyway, it's side sidetracked there. But uh yeah, so Long Beach. I I would love to live there because of the beach. Boo. No. I mean, I we were like ocean lifeguards. That's like where I met my husband. He's a huge surfer. I loved like waking up to the ocean every day, and it's amazing, but also like the weather is like changing, and you think, oh, we live on the beach, it's amazing. It's windy a lot, the weather's not great all the time. Oh, that's right. It's off the shore. And if the ocean's cold, it gets colder. Yeah. No, it was good for a very long time. Like I loved living there, and I it was it was the best, but yeah, you know, things change. Yeah, no, I hear you. Now, being an ocean, if you want space and stuff too. It's just it's it's tough. Yeah. And then you know being a beach lifeguard. Okay, so I was a pool lifeguard, and then I was a typhoon lagoon lifeguard in Disney World. I feel like it's a and that is that would give me anxiety. That just because those places, if you work at like a water park and there's just it's like overwhelming. It's overload. So yeah, the water park was wild. So I I'm I was Red Cross certified for the pool. Uh-huh. And then I did for the water park, there was a different certification down in Disney. It was Ellison Associates. Have you ever I don't know what that is? No. So it's a different, it's a different, you know, certification. But it's, you know, is water park and and all that kind of stuff. And I think they they probably do ocean and and pool anyway, but so we would have to do these, you know, we'd have to recertify when we got down there. Like so it was through through the internship program. Okay. So when you're in you let your boys know this when they get of age, and if you decide to go to college, Disney comes to certain colleges and you do an like an interview. You dress up and they interview you, and you interview for the internship. And either you get in or you don't. So first time I didn't get in, the next time I did, and I wanted to be a lifeguard. So they put you in whatever area. So there's Blizzard Beach, Typhoon Lagoon, or the the resort pools, and I got Typhoon Lagoon with the big wave pool. So you were living how old were you when you did this? I was so I I graduated 2003. I was 22 to 23. That's like a fun thing to do after you graduate to go DVDs. Because typically you're supposed to after you graduate. Go to TV news. And I said, no, I'm gonna work for the mouse. I want to work down in Disney World. So instead of going to my first TV station, I went to Disney World. I mean, it's been nothing's linear, right? So I went down there anyway. So we, you know, the the the lifeguarding is really not easy. So you do the, you get down there, you you settle in, you take the courses. There's this Disney traditions course you take, everybody takes, so you know the Disney traditions down there. Yeah. And that Walt Disney, if you got on Disney World, he always does a two-finger point. Okay. And do you know why? Uh uh No. Because he used to smoke a cigarette. Okay. So that's why they do two-finger point. Okay. So we get down, also, and and yet now we because you're a lifeguard, you have to train. So we train and uh so then you get dispatched to your your water park. I got Typhoon Lagoon. Every other day was like an in-service to test your skills. So it would be uh, you know, last names A through M would be okay, A through M, you're doing the in-service skills test today, and then N through Z, you're doing cleaning. So So when were you lifeguarding? I would lifeguard, that was in the morning before you started your shift. Before you started a shift, okay. And then you would after that, you would do in your lifeguarding. And there was this one, I mean, they the lifeguards down there, they know what they're doing. Because every other day you're doing an in-service to make sure you know your skills. And the creepiest part is like sadly, I mean, some unsavory individuals come into the water park to look at kids. Well, I mean, like at the beach too, I could tell you stories of things that I've seen. And it's like I this is the the biggest example I have of how protected is down there. I was up on the stand for the the wave pool. And I'm I'm looking, you just scan in the water, so you have a section you scan, and all of a sudden this little kid, this British kid, he's screaming up at me. He's like, excuse me, excuse me. And I was like, Yes, he's like, this man over here is whipping out his dinghy and looking at us. And I'm like, what? And he's like, I'm not kidding. And I go, so there was a code, and there would have you have to tell somebody watch the water. So you I I signaled to the guard across. I think I touched my head, was like, watch my water. Yeah. How to go down, and I was like, code 13 or something. I have never seen the qu a quicker response. Wow. The amount of management that flew in and they found this guy. I I I was still that makes you feel good though, too, when you're in a place like that and that there's people like looking out for you and protecting you. Oh my God. And like that's a huge part of the job. Like when you think of lifeguarding, you don't think of that aspect, especially in this day and age. I mean, and I would never even, I mean, obviously a beach too, but I would never think that like, did you get trained? I well, not so much in that department, but I can't tell you how many times there'd be like a creepy old man in the water in front of me, just like dropping his pants. Or we would find people like covered up in a blanket, like watching little girl, like doing stuff like that. But you know, we're trained, so right away, like you go to your captain, you radio it in, the police are on the beach. We already always have security that's like around. So they handle it very quickly too. You never have regular training for that, but you know, it's part of it. Oh, I would never throw. Oh my god. Oh yeah. Okay, so moving off from that. Um, so when you trained to lifeguard in the ocean, what was that training like? Uh you go through rookie training. So I'm I'm like primarily a runner. Like I've been an athlete my whole life. So we're getting into that frame. Well, don't get me started because once I started talking about running, I was like, Oh, well, that's why we're we have we'll do 10 more minutes of happy chat, then we're gonna talk about running. Um so I could always swim. You know, obviously I passed the test and everything, but I never swam in college. I was never a competitive swimmer. Down the line, I started doing triathlons and stuff. Um so the swimming like was tough, tough for me. Meaning, like, you know, with the training, we'd be doing like buoy swims and doing mile swims in the ocean when the water temperature was like 55, 56 degrees in the beginning of the season. So that was the worst. Like you'd have like numb feet, numb hands, and you'd just be out there all day, like hammering on the beach, like swimming and running and training. We were like, I I'm telling you, I would almost do rookie training every single year just to get in shape because we were in like the sickest shape of our entire life. Really? Like really good shape, but it was tough. Um, especially for me. I'm like, can we just go run now? Like, why do I have to swim? But um well, you are a lifeguard. We had a lot of really good swimmers. But you know, I was quick, I could rescue really quick, like get into the water fast, get out to the water fast. It's just like doing those long ocean swims were um tough for me, but yeah, we did it. I got better. It was great. I loved it. Best job ever. I'm always on the beach every day training and like getting paid to like be with your friends, be in the sun, and be in shape and just be like healthy, and it was just great. I always wanted to know better to do it. I was very good. I I heard I learned to surf. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I heard that I I could still do it. I'm 45 years old. Am I really? Now I'm like, hmm, my summer's coming. Oh I'm like, I could go back to the beach, or I want to run like a um junior lifeguard thing to get my kids into it. Like, see if I can do that. I like that. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, because I was just talking about how I feel fat. I put this dr I put this dress on tonight. I do too. I'm like, oh yeah, you have like sausaging. I don't say oh yeah, sausage. Yeah, I feel like a sausage and a casing. No, no, I'm sucking in in a little well, yeah, I am. I'm always sucking in. Uh sucking in, push it out. What are you pushing out? I don't got a lot, but I better push it out. Oh, both ends. Both ends. Anyway. All right. All right. So now, so now uh at one point in your in your journey of you know, you coming of age and you end up at Fox Five, that's how we met. Yeah. And I remember this story that you told me towards the end there. You're like, you were you wanted something different. Why did you end up leaving? So, like, I love I loved working at Fox. Like, I just thought ever I had like the best time with Mike Woods and Inez in the morning, and just like the crew, like everyone. Like, it was just great. And um, Nick Gregory, like such a fantastic meteorologist. Everyone was like, so like I can't say enough good things about working at Fox. Um when I first started working there, I didn't have kids yet. Eventually I got pregnant with twins, and I just remember like, oh my god, it was like the winter, and it would be like one o'clock in the morning, or maybe two o'clock in the morning. Sorry, that's okay. And I'm like, first of all, you know, driving into the city every day, trying to find parking. I remember it being like freezing and my winter coat wouldn't fit over my huge stomach, and I was like pregnant and disgusting, whatever. That wasn't even the bad part. So like I made it, had the kids, came back like two months or something later, which was like not enough time. And like it was just like, oh my God. I would, you know, go to bed at like nine, ten o'clock at night because my husband was working in the city, would come home late. I had the twins. I'd wake up at like 12:30, I was sleeping for like two to three hours, but like we've all been there working in the news. But like two to three hours a night, work all morning. And have to be on pray to dear God that I could like drive home and like be awake then to take care of the twins all day. Um, it was just a lot. And I like feel like I barely survived. So eventually it was like the commute was tough for me. Yeah. And it was like 45 minutes for you in the morning, wasn't it? Yeah, the morning was like fast. Like the morning getting in no problem. But it was always like the parking and then coming home. Oh my god. And I gotta say, sometimes I would work the night shift or the weekend shift, and then I'm in the car for like two, two and a half hours. Yeah. Which is it wasn't bad. But just like once I had the kids, like things started changing. Um, the job opened up for me at News 12 Long Island. I had worked there in the past. I'm like, okay, this makes sense. It's local. Yeah. Uh it cuts out time with the commute. The hours were a little bit better. Um so that's why I left. But Well, you leaving the job. It was just great. Well, listen, you leaving got me a full-time video. Well, because so then because I mean what made you want to become a meteorologist? Because I remember you were studying. Oh, God. And then like we would always talk about weather. Right. And then like it was nice, you just kind of slipped right into that. Kind of. So when I I got hired at the Weather Channel without a weather background at all. And um at the time the Weather Channel was revamping the Weather Channel and they were starting this new show with a celebrity. Well, it was AMHQ with Sam Champion. So I got an agent at that time when she like knew somebody at the Weather Channel, and she was like, I guess the timeline was like it was at Newswatch 16. I wanted to head down to channel six Action News in Philly. And then I met Eva Pilgrim. And she had been on GMA is now at Inside Edition, but she and I became friends and she encouraged me to get an agent. All right. So got the agent. That agent who I thought, okay, you're gonna get me to channel six, knew somebody at the weather channel, one of her good friends who is leading this like new show and this new branding and everything, which was the Amy HQ with Sam Champion. So then she was like, Hey, the Weather Channel likes you because she put she shopped me around at the Weather Channel. When you're reporting like out in the field, that's why she in Storms was like, I couldn't believe the first time I saw you at Fox, I'm like, oh my God, you're incredible. Thank you. I'm like, if only a meteorologist can like get out there and like do the stuff that you were doing. But really, really good. Thank you. Thank you. And a lot of it has to do with like the weather channel teaching me certain things, but like they liked me and they they were looking at me as a newsreader at first, and then I got the Northeast correspondent job where I would be based at 30 Rock, because at that time the Weather Channel and NBC had like kind of a partnership. And then I would travel the country following and tr andor chasing storms. That's how but I wasn't, and I told them I was on a meteorologist. I'm not a meteorologist. They're like, oh, that doesn't matter. So I I talked to the team at the weather channel. I was like, should I get my degree? And they said, no, because you have us. And I thought, oh, okay. So I didn't. I was debating. Maybe do I do Mississippi State? I don't know. So then now I get done with the weather channel and I end up at CBS2 local here. And the news director at the time, everybody knew I came from the weather channel, and he was like, hey, Medgie, come here. I was like, what? He was like, uh you can do weather. I went to in front of the green screen, filling in here. And I was like, but I'm not a meteorologist. And he said, we don't care about that here. Well, there's some stations that don't care. They make such a big deal. Like, you have to have your seal, you have to have this and that. That I thought I was, I know. I was like, first of all, fur I was like, I don't want to be that like pretty face and like sun. But now here's the other thing. Like, I feel like reporting the weather out in the field is one thing. Like getting in front of the green screen and then actually having to tell a story, especially when there's something big happening. You can't it's different. You have to like then at that point, I feel like you have to have some kind of background to be able to know what you're talking about, right? Exactly. I mean, I feel like I would oh yeah, no, I would drown. I would never brief stint over at CBS too, but Fox Five happened to see me do the thing on CBS. And when I ended up at Fox Five, they liked that. And they said, Hey, now you are leaving. I was there for like two years freelancing, you're starting to get going. And they said, Hey, listen, we'd like you to be part of this and we want you to do weather. And I was like, whoa, I'm not a meteorologist. Again, we don't care. I said, you know what? I do. I can't do this. I gotta go back to school. And I asked, Will you pay for it? No. So I paid to go back to school, and it was Mississippi State or Penn State, because I found out Penn State had a program. Mississippi State would have been great. However, it was way expensive. And that would have been a whole shit. Was it really? I didn't I never looked at the state. Oh, when I did the numbers, and this was a couple years ago. You would think that Penn State would be. Penn State was like if maybe, maybe ten thousand dollars. Wow. Now I might be including my purchase of my laptop at that point too. But in all total, like it wasn't, it was like eight to ten. Okay. It was like a year and a half of intense coursework online and it and it was reasonable versus Mississippi State. They're like, oh yeah, no, it should be about the same. No. It was gonna be close to like $40,000. I wonder if it's because everybody does that program now. It's like it's easy to just get the certification. Not easy. I shouldn't say easy. It's not easy, but I can't believe how fast you banged out all those courses and like you did all the work when you were working. Like it was crazy. But it was even like you were doing, or like you would ask. I'm like, I don't know what you're talking about. Like, I don't know. Yeah, I was out of my mind. It was so hard, but that's I had so at that point I was like, you know what? Weather keeps falling in my lap. I have to surrender to it. Yeah. Like at what point am I gonna be like I'm glad you did it? And you know what? Because of that, it got me in a channel 7 eyewitness news. You know, it ended up working out. And I've had other opportunities to do other weather things. You know, so I mean it's not like it's ending and drying up, but like, yeah, that's my meteorology like thing. I never thought I'd be like nerding it out with like another meteorologist, but like you know your meteorology way more than I do. Like I like I I even feel like some of the meteorologists, I'm like they know way more than like I know. I just feel like I'm a huge enthusiast. Like I have been my whole life, but I'm not like nerdy, nerdy, like smart, smart, like you know. I mean, there are some people that are. Yeah, there are some people that are just that next level. But I like, you know, especially even just like the practical side of it and the forecasting, I'm not so much into like researching and like deep diving, like really into the tough science stuff. Oh, that's it. I wish I could be, but I know I had time for that. No, no, no, no, I don't know, you know, to nerd it out a little bit more. I loved making skew tees. Yes. Oh my god. So we had a thing. Oh my god, nerd. If I had like a siren of like nerd learning right now. I studied at SUNY Albany and um that for I went to the University of Scrinton first, then I went to SUNY Albany to get my meteorology degree, and we had a thing called weather boot camp, and it was like, it was like my dream. I feel like at that point I was studying with like younger kids, and they're like, this is terrible, blah, blah, blah. I was like, I'm up at 4 a.m., I'm going to boot camp this morning, I'm gonna analyze like my upper air charts, and and we would hand draw these maps. Like, if I brought them in and you saw you just incredible stuff, and we would spend hours in the lab, like, you know, now we have the models and the drive me nuts on the satellite rate or all technology, but we would take like all the data and like analyze it and hand draw these maps and then build our forecasts off of that. The skew tees, like all that stuff like the atmosphere with the case. Like you're putting together your puzzle piece and then you like make your forecast off of that, and it's just like a whole process. And I just like loved it so much. Yeah. It's not like that anymore. I mean now it's just like models and the computers, which drives me nuts too. These people like the GFS says this, but the euro says this, and then you get these people that don't even know anything about the weather, and they're like, so we heard the GFS is gonna bring us like six inches of snow this weekend, but why doesn't the euro have that? I'm like, just stop. Yeah. Because it's you know what I used to tell people too, like it's guidance. Like these days, I feel like people take these images from the models, and they're like, this is the forecast. Yeah, and I like it's guidance. And you have your knowledge and your experience of forecasting, you keep that in the back of your mind, and you build your own forecast. You just don't take this stuff and spit out like these ridiculous snow maps. People know, and you think it's like a frenzy on social media, and it just like spirals and it drives me nuts. And people are like, oh yeah, we're we're gonna get snow maggetting, whatever. And it's like we're getting four feet of snow in like no. There's so many ingredients in it. It's the temperature, it's the time of year, it's the way the climate's shifting, and if it's you know, the the polar vortex, if it's dipping down or it's going, or the freeze line, there's like so many different things. A lot of it's pattern recognition. Like you learn things after studying and watching for a long time. And if you're in a certain area, you know things will happen or not happen. Yeah. Look at that. I bring it up. I can keep up. You are, see? Hey, hi five. Because I wasn't sure if I could or not. I got a little nervous there, but okay. I love it. Perspirated in my mind. I'm proud of you, Reagan. You really am. Thanks, I appreciate it. Um, okay. So, all right, so then you're over at News 12. Yeah. And you're now doing the icing weather. I saw you doing some little Sam's weather schooling at the at the News 12, and I thought I started it when I was there. And this is so funny because like years ago, they're like, we want you guys out in the community more doing more like public speaking or school visits. And I don't know, I feel like you like you're so personable and you have such a good personality. I'm always like, oh, like people are gonna like me, or like I'm gonna sound stupid. I I can't speak in front of like big groups of people, even though I'm on TV, which is it's funny. People are like, what do you mean you're on TV? But yeah, in the studio, there's like a camera here, there's nobody around me. I'm not talking to a group of people, so it's totally different. It is put me in a room of a group of people, and I like freeze up and it's in the past. But it's seeing the audience now, yeah, yeah. So I was like, I don't know if I could do this. I started doing some school visits. I'm like, wow, this is really fun. And I think just the energy from the little kids like kind of feeding off of the stuff that I'm just like it just like I just loved it. So I started doing more and more of it when I was at News 12, and then eventually when I I left, um we can talk, we don't have to get into all of that. You cannot, yeah. Listen, I always say like if you wouldn't have to be like, it's exhausting. I know it I know when people ask me like what happened? I was like, there's a reason I put a podcast together. So you just listen to the podcast, what happened to me, now you know. Um you don't have to like go in all detail. I just say like I love my career and I loved like every station, things that that I've done, but like things happen in life, my life had shifted a little bit. Um, stuff kind of got too a little too crazy for me at News 12, just with like the hours and just just everything. Um for me to like leave and walk away of this career that I had built over like almost you know 20 years. And you're lifting God's ears, baby. That's what everybody says. Like we travel, we work hard hours. Like I sacrificed, I I missed funerals, weddings, but actually I lost like lifelong friends from always having to put, you know, your career and your job. I know. So it's you know, there's you sacrifice a lot, but people don't realize that. So and you work so hard to kind of like get your dream job or get to where you want to go. So to kind of just like toss all that away and take a leap of faith that to start something new is a lot. And I feel like I was so stressed out for months. I'm like, am I really doing this? How am I like doing this? Yeah. But the day I left, I'm telling you, the next day, I never looked back once. And I was like, this was 100% the right decision. Isn't it crazy? I'm grateful for like all the experience and everything that I did and everything that I learned, but I don't think I could ever go back. No. It filled what I want to, but it was everything happens for a reason. Okay. And I don't think you're tossing anything away. I think you're bringing you're kind of like bringing it along with you, obviously. It's like it's it's no longer serving you. So you're stepping away from it into something greater, but using all the tools that you gain from that. That's right. Like I don't think I could be doing the Sam's Weather School stuff now if I didn't do some of the stuff that I did. Yeah, I won't be doing this now if I didn't have my Yeah. No, no. But it's crazy. Like last year, would I think that I'd be sitting here with you having this conversation or doing what I know, right? It is crazy. Life takes you to like Yeah, no, and it's the courage to finally say, you know what, this isn't working for me anymore. And and you know, you'll have those people that will question you. I had somebody that like some random person, and it was on the Facebook, and I believe this person was of the generation that watches the news. Okay, and they said, I don't understand how, you know, a girl like you worked her entire life doing what you're doing, and then you just throw it all away. Okay, I think I her name was we'll call her Karen. And I said, Karen. I said, please. What how did I say? I was very graceful about it. I said, Karen, please listen to my podcast before you pass judgment. Have a good day. Like, don't do that. Because I could turn the script to and be and you know, I can do research on, you know, I'm a reporter, I can do research on you, Karen. I can find out where where your life decided to make a couple twists and turns and ask you the same thing. Like, no. It's it's a lot what goes into what we do. And you know, pilot and I were on a walk yesterday and I had a funky day yesterday. And you get up in your head sometimes when you have a lot of time. Maybe she's gonna start running again. Well, I I didn't run yesterday because pilot doesn't like running, so I'll run without him. But I was in a weird mood, and every time I get in a weird mood, pilot automatic weird mood, pilot automatically thinks, it's because I miss TV and I want to go back or I'm starting to think. Oh no. And he looks at me and he's like, go, go, go wake up at 1.30, go, go, go, go sleep at at 6 p.m. when the sun's still in your eyes. Go, go, go. You want to do that? Go, go, go. They're already sleeping. Go. I was like, no, it's not about that at all. But it is funny, like you will have some people asking you about like, do you miss it? They always, everywhere I go, I'm like, don't. Are you gonna go back? Will we see you on again? Like, where everything is. I know. Like everything now. Yeah. So the Sam's Weather School. So now you're pretty busy. I'm like, this is too good to be true. How is this gonna last? I just I love it. I'm telling you, like, and then you just get books, like it's yeah. Well, so some schools had like as soon as I left on social media, I guess that gives me like, you know, a little bit of a head start because people, whatever. So schools will bring me in, and then I I guess it's um word of mouth. I got really busy really fast. I have like I feel like I have so many ideas of like all these wonderful things that I want to do that I haven't even been able to like do or plan out yet, just because it's been so busy, which is great. It's like I have that in the morning, then I'll have my kids in the afternoon, which is like a whole nother thing. Um so this summer I have some more downtime and I'm hoping to like do more with it. I mean, I've fabulous. And you know what's great because like my kids are into science and stuff, and they watch like some cool dick. Do you know Mark Rober? Mark Wahlberg. Mark Mark Rober. Oh, I thought you said Mark Wahlberg. I was like, Mark, funky bunch. He's a scientist and he's just incredible. So my kids watch um some things that he does, and sometimes they'll be like, Mom, you're doing that. Like Mark Robert does that, and then like kids in school see it, and like they're into it. So I we do like experiments and stuff. I test out a lot of things on them, and I'm like, if they like it, hopefully like the kids in school will like it. But it's just such I feel like there was like a lot of negativity in my life with like my past career. Now, this to like walk into a school and have kids like be excited about celebrities and like, or not even celebrate me, just get like to be happy and excited about something at the end, be like, thank you so much. Now, like I want to be a meteorologist when I grow up, or like I want like a job in science and stuff like that. It's just like literally the most rewarding thing I feel like that I've ever done. And I just feel like it's too good to be true. Oh my god, it's like the impact, right? We got we sign up for this TV world to make an impact. I mean, some of us do, others want to just be famous on both. Just kidding. No, it was I wanted to make an impact, and now I'm taking it to this level. Um, but no, you're making you're like inspiring, right? Isn't that so great? You're leaving people with like a a sense of hope and not panic, fear, and and what what are you talking about, Reagan? Turn on the five o'clock news. Okay, so now we're gonna now we're gonna pivot. So we're gonna talk about marathon training because oh boy. Now this is now this this is gonna air the beginning of June. But we are now filming it at the end of April, and this weekend. Okay, what are you doing? Do you want to hear the drama? I'm having like a freaking panic attack. Okay. So I I have to look at my phone to see all the marathons I've run. I think this will be like my 21st or 22nd marathon, right? Um forgot. Like tons back in the past, took a break, I'm running again, but now like trying to be like a little bit competitive. So last year in the spring, I was supposed to run Boston a week before the race. Like my kids were jumping on my back or something, pulled something in my back, literally could not walk, had to pull out of Boston. Fine, whatever. Recovered from that, trained hard, ran New York City. I had like one of my best marathons in the fall. So now I'm like, well, I'll just do Long Island because I missed the cutoff for Boston this year. I'll be running it next year. I'm like, I'll run the Long Island marathon because I always like to have a spring marathon. So did all the training, like it went pretty well. I was like pushing myself almost, I feel like, harder than I ever had before. And what the the race is this weekend. So a week and a half ago, maybe two weeks ago, I don't know, my legs started feeling weird. I'm like, I probably need rest day, but just like you need to hit like the 65 mile week. This is like the last big week, and then you hit taper. So sure enough, I'm on one of my last long runs, two miles in. I could not move. My calf, I must have torn something, I think. And part of my calf, it was all swollen and bruised. Took four days off, went for a run. It got worse. Now I'm like, what am I doing? Now this is like the second time this is happening to me. I'm gonna have to back out a week before. Which is just for those of you that don't run marathons or know the trade, like you put in and it's like all these mornings where I'm tired and I'm up at the crack of dawn to like get out and like do these workouts or even on the weekends. It's a lot. I love it. It's like a love-hate relationship, but it's a lot. Um, so I took a few more days off. I did a test run this morning, only three miles, which the leg feels okay, but you know, when you stop running for like two weeks, you feel it right away. You lose, you lose a little something. So I'm like, well, that felt okay, but how the hell am I running or like racing 26.2 miles in a couple of days? So that's where we're at. So I feel like I'm gonna go for the race, pray to dear God that my calf is not gonna give out on me. Oh my god. You know, mile 20 or whatever, and hope that I can just get through it. But I feel like now, like the shot of running a PR is out the window and like all this stuff, it's just like eyes on the finish line, just get there whatever way you have to. Okay. If I can even make it, that's where I'm at. So I'm like, am I running? Am I not running? But the test run today was okay. Okay. I did a test walk yesterday, it was good. Okay, so so because we're gonna be switching into marathon chat, and if you're not a runner, this will you'll still gain something from it. Because and the reason I want this to air in June is because this is kind of the typically the time people start thinking if they want to do a run for the fall marathon, the fall half, fall something, or another. Isn't it like for like a fall? Like you start in June. Okay, so before we go any further, what do you have? Because very rare can you dazzle a crowd with this. Are you bringing your ma medal? I did. Well, you should have told me I would have brought mine. All 39 of them? No. No, I actually I lost all my medals. I had a bag of them and they're all gone. Well, I wouldn't but no, you mean but you still have like 19 million of them. What if turn on the back? You can read the time of my first 419. You should be so proud. I was in the New York Times, my name. My name was it? Because once you hit okay, so it's four hours. What she meant by 419. Four hours, 19 minutes and 35 seconds. That's right. And I crossed that finish line in the New York City marathon in the fall of 2024. That was my first marathon. Tell everybody the feeling of crossing the finish line. Because people are like, you guys are crazy, you run this much, this the training is so hard, but tell everybody the feeling that you get when you cross the finish line. When you cross that finish line, I mean, right before I thought I was gonna die. But regardless of that, in fact, I did tell a friend, I think I'm gonna die, and he says, No, you're not gonna die. But I you I I I was running and I knew like I wanted to sprint and I went for it, and then I did it, and I was like, oh my god, I just freaking did it. Did you cry? Did you shed a tear? I thought I would, but I didn't. I did last year. I thought I was gonna crumble and kiss the ground in this grandiose. No, because at the time I was at Channel 7 Eyewitness News, and the the people were lined up to interview me. Are you kidding me? Well if you're gonna do a marathon, you're gonna do a marathon, right? So, but I because I at first I didn't want to do the New York City marathon. Not because I I was like, oh, but I I just thought, like, oh, everybody does it, whatever. That's how I am. I'm like, I love these. So I had ran it back in 2006. I was like one and done for me. I ran Boston like one and done like I'm not running New York again. I went to Boston, like I did it, like I'm I don't like these big like the to-do. It's just the whole day. It's like a a process. I actually went back this year because I was like, it's 20 years later, but it ended up being like one of my most fun marathons ever. So now I'm like back in it, but I feel the same as you. It's like everybody does it. It's like why do I really want to do it? And then it just happened where I could get in. It's the best marathon in the world, it's the most exciting. And did you know it is one of the most the hardest because of the bridges? Of the habits. Yes. So it's okay. So now, Sam, when I decided to embark on a marathon, I reached out to Sam because she, as you heard, ran 1,342 marathons. And I knew that she was, you know, gonna be a good person to talk to. Um and I also spoke to Jessica Cunningham over at NPC for because she's a marathon. She yeah. So you're the one that got me into first, like you had to get the equipment. So if you're thinking about doing the marathon, whatever, we started with the watch. I don't have my watch. I was gonna wear it, but I have my apple watch. You did get a garment, right? Oh, of course I did. Of course. I still have friends that are running with Apple Watches. Like, no, no, no, so I'm like, get rid of the Apple Watch. Why not the garment is life-changing? And that's the other thing, it will die too. In the middle of the So she said, get the garment. I said, Okay. It was not inexpensive. It was kind of up there, but I still use it today. It's worth it. I mean, I never take this thing off. This it's just it's worth every penny. Yeah. No, I got it. I actually wore mine today, but I because I had a white one, and the white scrap was like super annoying. So I get a new one. Oh, yours is a tan with a nice little embellishment of gold. Yeah. Yeah. So I got the I got that, and then it's It's about the you know getting everything ready. I'll take that back and wear it when I'm like no no no I'm gonna wear it because how often we put it on it. How offer on mine, Reagan? We could have been twinsies. No, again, because I want to be I want to be the important one wearing the marathon. Because you wear the potatoes. 2345 marathons. Look at this, huh? Looks like it's very funny. I gotta be careful because I got to see it. But here's the question. When are we gonna add to your collection? Okay, well are you gonna run this year? What? Are you gonna run this the marathon this year? No. Why? Here's my thing about running the same race. I know what to expect. I know what with New York, I know what to expect. Well, I know where I like the last run. Um I know where I live. You should run a girlfriend of mine just finished uh my friend Deirdre, who I run with, she's amazing. She just finished the London marathon, but she ran Boston the weekend before. I think she got her six stars in 18 months, which is like insane. So she did Tokyo. So these are the Abbots. That's what I was talking about. The Abbott. Yes. The Abbots. What is it called? The Abbots. The Abbots. Right. I should know this, but I don't know. Whatever. You get a star for there's six major marathons. They just added another one. So now there's seven. Sydney. There's seven majors. Yeah. So Sydney was added. So a lot of people had gotten the sixth, yeah, uh, the six stars, but now they just added Sydney. But my girlfriend just ran London. She said the course is like incredible. The the metal, it has like a pink and black strap and it's rose gold. It's like the most beautiful marathon metal that I've ever seen. And I'm like, yeah, I would love to like go travel and run these races, but like, what am I doing? Am I taking my family with me? It's just like a whole nother layer to it now. Yeah. Um, but I'm like, I'm I'm running London. That's it. I decided to be like, yeah, I'm trying to think. I would put that on my eye. I'm trying to think. London's awesome. Chicago. No. I did this thing. I was like, I'm gonna run. This is when I was younger, before I had kids, but I had known Max at the time, my husband now. Um, we're like, we're gonna run a marathon in every state. There's a thing called the 50 States Marathon Club. Which because then you travel to places that you would never really maybe not go to. It's a neat way to see the world. We only got like 10 states, I think. There's like a lot of repeats in there. Um but yeah, there's so many like uh great places and cities to there is. Sydney would be neat. So so the Abbott's is Boston's not part of Abbott. It is. It is part of Boston, New York City, Chicago, London, Tokyo, Sydney. Oh, Berlin. Berlin. Berlin, which is great. Yeah. I heard it organization organized. Uh I don't think it was hot, and then we're like tons of cops on the ground, like people were tripping and couldn't get water and stuff like that. I think this year was a little bit of a hot mess. But Berlin, um, another great marathon. Yeah, that's I mean, and that's like if you're going for the the Abbott majors. So that's and New York obviously is one of the New York is one of them, yeah. So I got one out of the seven. I would do Rome, but Rome isn't part of the not that it matters. You don't need to keep it or I always want to do like the Dublin Ireland marathon. How much fun is that? Oh yeah. Okay. Well, I mean, like I did like Miami Marathon was great. I did one in New Orleans. Miami must have been hot though. No, it's early. See, this is the other thing. So they start early in the morning. I think it was like a 6 a.m. start. Like, why the Boston Marathon starts at like 10 a.m., which is like terrible. Because usually you train early in the morning, you're done by 10 a.m. It's been like the weather's changing, it's been warm lately. So I'm like, these poor people on days where it's like 70 degrees, they're running in like the heat of the day. Horrible. And I just feel like it kills the race. They should it the marathon should start earlier. 7 a.m. Completely, okay, but later than that is just I I started like the first wave in New York, and then I was like done so early. Yeah. It was really great. I'm like, oh my god, first of all, then you have to still get there at like 4 30, 5 o'clock in the morning. It is and it's a marathon before you even start running. It really I mean it it is it is a process to get to the starting line of the New York City Marathon, which is in Staten Island, right at the base of the Verizano Bridge. I took it to Uber this year and it was the easiest thing. That was the other thing. I'm like, I don't want to run New York because I don't want to get on the bus to have to get there. We took an Uber, we were in so easy. Really waiting an hour before the race started. Oh, that's perfect. Yeah. So now if you're thinking of be doing the running, like even a marathon, because again, wanted to air this in June because this is when people start thinking the marathon training for the fall really starts in July for you because you've run 5,420. Shut up. You start in April or August rather. Um so when you when you start, what's the first couple of things that even when you if you want to start getting into running, what would you recommend? I know shoes, obviously, but yeah. I'm like no pro at this, okay? Like, so you're asking me for advice, and I'm like, that's I don't know why you're asking me for advice. Because you help me with I've done a lot. And I feel like even now, like even this marathon coming up, I'm still just as nervous as if it was my first. I feel like you learn from every marathon you run, every training cycle. Yeah. I used to be stupid and just run like a ton of miles as fast as I could, um, as hard as I could. And eventually that like led me to like burnout. I got to a certain point and I could never get any faster. I had to stop. So then when I picked it up again, I wasn't really training, and I would just like kind of get through a marathon and it would be so painful and terrible. And I was like, all right, we're gonna try to do this the right way. I started running with um long run crew on Long Island and great group of people, and we have someone there that coaches us, and it kind of just taught me like the proper way to train, like rest day, rest days, right? Easy days are super important. You have to have recovery days. Um, we do like a track Wednesday where we do speed work. We do a lot of like tempo runs and then like the tempo run is to keep a certain pace while you're running. Yeah, where people like so, for example, like on a Friday, if I was gonna do a tempo run, I would do like two-mile warm-up and then maybe like four miles at like my projected marathon goal pace time. And also that just gets you used to running um at the marathon pace that when you actually get to the marathon, you know, first 20 miles can feel comfortable. And then you know, you're racing the last six. That's what they say. That's what they say, but that's how it should feel. So, Reagan, don't give me that look because since I started training properly, I run these marathons. I'm like, it's not, it doesn't hurt until like, you know, you're just racing the last couple miles. I will say it trains your body differently. I was good. So I did I I didn't train with a group, I trained under an app, which I love this app. This app, yeah. Run a R-U-N-N-A. Oh my god, it was a great app. So I I trained under that app, and my longest run was a 22 miles. And I thought, okay, four miles, no sweat. Well raced it. That's the thing. They say the race doesn't start until mile 20. Didn't never heard that, thank God. Okay. Didn't hear that. That's the truth. The last six miles are I got to mile twenty two point one, and I'm like, the end of days is here. And I am running and I'm thinking, I'm not gonna make it. I just when is this freaking thing gonna be over? I was angry. I was romantic. Okay, yeah. Oh, at 23, I was like, three more miles, you gotta be kidding me. I used to think of ways to take myself out. I'm like, well, maybe if like, you know, I I run into like the the bar barricade on the side, I could like trip and then my ankle sprain so that like take yourself out of the way. You're like actually taking me. I can't finish the race because I just sprained my ankle. I mean, I was kind of like that. I was watching people and at you know, in the beginning, you're like, yeah, yeah, yeah. They're like, go. I was like, huh. I like half raised my arm, I was like, uh, stop yelling for me. It's not over. Just shut up. Everyone, just shut up. And for the first time I ran in New York, these people like, they're like, don't stop now, you're almost there. And I'm like, it's horrible. Like, like I have um, even this last one I did really bad cramp and I had to stop at like mile 23 for like 20 seconds, and then I'm pissed off at the end that I stopped because I could have ran faster if I didn't stop. But this whole thing, but people are like, don't stop, you're almost like the worst thing. And I'm like, just shut. Yep. Just cheer, whatever, but shut up. The F off. Yep, I know. It was so bad. I was so worse. So that was part of the reason why I like hated that race, just for people like cheering. The cheering is a good thing and it does carry you through. It does race. But like if people weren't cheering, I would have probably stopped. Yeah. Mm-mm. So mm mm. Yeah. So I didn't know that the race started at 20, but uh so 22.1, I was like, okay, this is the end of days. And then, you know, but once you ground the corn, you finally get into the central park, you're like, I still gotta run all of it, you know, and then it goes up a little bit. Anyway, but once you get done, you're like, holy crap, I did it, right? Um but the fueling, I was trying, I also during the race, I kind of did a little math. I'm terrible at math, so I don't even it was Reagan math, it was Medi math, which better than nothing. Whatever. So I had all the gels. So like that's another thing. When you when you start training, you start getting into like what kind of gels. And I like the goo and the stinger. Ugh. Well, goo lemonade, because I like lemonade. I like lemon and then the stinger pomegranate. Stuff is fine on your stomach, like the goo would Yeah, no, I would but you kill me. So you have to test it. Yeah, you do. You have to train with it. You train, so the whole training isn't like, okay, you get your runner app, you get your shoes. I like Newton running. Which now they're having production problems, and I'm now in ultra. Not the biggest fan of you running in. What shoes do you run in? Adidas. Do you see so if you look at these marathons and all the people that are winning the marathons, all the top athletes, yeah? Look at the shoes that they're running in. Adidas? That gives you a clue as to what shoes are the best on the market right now. So I used I was like Asics for life. I did like ultra marathons and ASICs, but something changed a couple years ago. Um, I stopped. I think I went to Socony for a bit, which was good. So I like Socony too. I did that. Yeah. I think Asics is coming back, but then I made the switch to Adidas and it was like next level. No kidding. The um like the Pro um Adios Pro 3, whatever. I'm still running in the three, which is the old version. The four is like okay, I'm waiting for the five to come out, but like the carbon shoes, they're like incredible. And then they also help you with recovery. Like if you're running in a good shoe, like after a long run, you feel a difference. They make you a little bit faster. Get out. Okay, well, so it's all about the shoe, too. The shoe. And I feel like people are like, but it's so expensive. But I'm like, you're putting tons. Like I could put like 400 more than 400 miles on those shoes. They're worth your body. I feel like the running shoe is like the one thing that's like actually worth it because you will definitely get your use out of it. Absolutely. And when you're doing a training for like a marathon, it's like two pairs of them because what I did was I did the long run and the run that I was gonna do the marathon in, then the short run was the the shoe I would run, like not the marathon in, just like the shoe. Yeah, you can have like a speed day shoe if you wanted to get really fancy, like a recovery day shoe that's like high cushion, and then your race, your race shoe. You don't want to have new shoes for race day. That is like unless it's like a shoe that you you wear, then you can like some people do do that. I always would like to get like one long run in in the shoe and break it in a little bit. Yeah. Um, otherwise, then you run the risk of like blisters and like your arches, your toes, like all sorts of oofs, you know, things like that. So shoes are important. Um, back in the day when I would run all these marathons, I never fueled and didn't drink enough, and it was a disaster. So since I started fueling, like that's life-changing. I love the Morton Gels. Have you tried them? No. Oh my god. Okay, well, what are you doing? These shoes you're running in these. Listen, I like the shoe. I like the shoe, okay? I'm getting served here. I'm sorry I didn't run 10,405 marathons. That was like when I was young. I don't do that anymore. That's um what there's never second is another one that I recently tried that's really good because I have a sensitive stomach that I don't get any issues with, but um, it was almost too liquidy and the pack was like long. So I feel like if you don't drink it right away, your hands get sticky and it was tough to open. So that's a huge thing too. Like the Morton Gels are small. Some people don't like the consistency because it's a little bit thicker, but it's easier to take. Oh, it's like easier to get in. You don't really need water to wash it down, and then it's good on your um like gut if you have extensive stomach. When you run, you run with a water bottle attached to your hand? I'm gonna go. So I'll train with it to get used to it because um, if the marathon's hot, then sometimes I'll take a bottle if I feel like I can't get enough water from the water stations. Yeah. But I don't like to run with it. I feel like it slows me down. Oh, and if my arms get tired because I'm a weakling. Well, then you need to lift weights. I just also don't even know because I know don't start telling me I know you like lifting your weights. And yeah, well, I went to the gym for a while and then I got all these injuries and I had to stop and I'm like, weights are not for me. I will stick to my five-pound, ten-pound dumbbells. Right, no, yeah, that's totally fine. Exercise bands, and but now that I'm older, it was like, no, you need to like be pushing heavier weights. Bone density or something, yeah. You know the nutritionists listen to this right now, are like it's not it's this, it's that, it's too much. It's difficult. This is a lot. We're almost about out of time. Any other uh marathon, the to-do list. Let's rip through it. So if somebody's looking to do a run or get into running, because for running, the reason I got into it was pilot and I broke up. Did you? When? I mean, not recently, but this was like before we got married. Oh my god. Oh god, yeah. Like there's a whole other story there. Yeah, no, no, no. That and and it and and I was working at this gym, and my instructor, Bruce, Bruce J, shout out to Bruce J. He was like, uh, you're not okay. We're gonna go for a run. Wow. And I was like, okay. And anytime I start really running, something's going on in my life. But you should make it an everyday, like for me, but it's just in the morning, like, too. But I have a clear. I'm an animal. You can ask my husband, my kids, you need it, like to make it just, or even like, you know, to get out for a walk. And I know people thinking of maybe like running a marathon in the fall, like, oh my god, it's so daunting. You start small. Oh, start running, like I even told you, I think, or maybe Inez, I was telling, like, you don't have to like all of a sudden get out and do like 40, 50 mile weeks. Like, go out and run like two days a week, then make it three days a week and slowly increase your mileage, and your body gets used to it and it's easier than you think. And marathon training, I feel like is the hardest thing you'll ever do. But um, also when I cross the finish line, I'm like, I'm never doing this again. Two seconds later, I'm like, when's my next race? I know it's like it's that love-hate relationship. It's great. Yeah, I would say the feeling that you get when you cross the finish line and you like achieve your goal is unlike anything else. It was the greatest thing because that marathon have doing a marathon has been on a bucket list of mine. I want to say for maybe 10 years. Every year the bucket list goal, and you did it. And I did it. Look at all these things you're doing. I know, right? Just get that bucket list and run, you know, cross them all off. But yeah, so the the running is always like clearing the mental clutter. It sets it sets me up for just like the next level of you know, thoughts and and confidence and everything. I just, it's it's such a release. Yes. So I feel the same way. All right. Well, I'm glad you stopped by. I could keep talking about the marathon. Oh my god. I'm so annoying. I feel like I could just talk about running all day long. But yeah, but when when you get into it, for those who haven't done it, when you start getting into it, you understand, you're like, you'll get it. Yeah. We'll just leave it on. I think everybody someday in their life should like you should make a goal of running a marathon. Like, you can do it. Because he I didn't think I could ever do it. No, I didn't think like 26 goals like these. I never did I think I could do stuff that I'm doing. It unlocks something, and it I think doing a marathon unlocks a potential in you you never thought you had. Yeah. Yeah. Opens many doors. All right. Well, thank you so much for stopping. Thank you so much. Or uh, you know, and then catching up with you. Yeah, no, this I could sit here for several more hours chatting, and then I know we gotta run later. All right, we're done, right? Cheese ball. All right, bye, friend. Bye, thank you. So thirsty. Well, because you're running a marathon, maybe.